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Posted by NIN_CrimzinTerry on June 4th, 2001 06:49 AM:

3rd Strike Tier question

Man I noticed that not a lot of people post stuff about 3rd strike which is
sad because it is a great game but i was wondering

what are the Tiers in
this game like a tier and character in tier thing would be nice.

Thank
you

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Posted by Shin_Gallon on June 4th, 2001 07:22 AM:

I'm not sure about the teirs in the game, unfortunatly. I know Chun Li is
regarded as one of if not the strongest character in the game. Personally, I
find the play balance to be VERY tight, I can pick up and do well with almost
any character (except Oro, who I don't play for health reasons).
I agree
it's an awsome game, hell, it finally dethroned Street Fighter Zero 2 as my
all-time favorite Street Fighter game. I wish Versus Books had done a guide for
it like their amazing Zero 2 guide. Oh well.

Shin Gallon

Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 4th, 2001 07:29 AM:

Hmm, good question. Couldn't really tell you if there even ARE top tiers
because everyone is very useable. I know the good people are:

Chunny

Alex
Hugo
Yun/Yang
Ryu
and Remy.

Prolly rate them in
that order too, Hugo and Alex are prolly tied for second. I personally favor
Chunny and Ibuki, but I don't know how they rate so I'd like to see what other
people say.
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Posted by energon on June 4th, 2001 08:39 AM:

The game is more balanced than most people believe. The parries basically
give potential to any character.. err almost any character. Chun Li is probably
the best character in the game. The shotos are all strong. Yun/Yang are also
very good. Q is really good also. The weakest character in the game is Sean
because he relies on tricks to win and unfortunately against a good player
tricks won't work and when it comes to pure fighting he gets whooped on.
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 4th, 2001 08:45 AM:

Q is Good? Lol I never got the hang of him. How is he good...like what can he
capitalize on?
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Posted by energon on June 4th, 2001 09:00 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Strider HiryuuX
Q is Good? Lol I never got
the hang of him. How is he good...like what can he capitalize on?

First off, if you get the 3 taunts he takes like no damage.
From there you can vary your pokes with his command grab. His SA I is probably
the best too because you can combo it off standing forward or super cancel it
from his rush punch. He does really good damage also so that complemented with
his taunts makes him good.
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 4th, 2001 09:04 AM:

Oh. What's your opinion on twelve? seems too weird to me. Like a hybrid of
Omega Red and Dhalsim...but I can't really play with him. lol. Only when I use
his XCOPY super can I do damage..
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Posted by energon on June 4th, 2001 09:08 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Strider HiryuuX
Oh. What's your opinion on
twelve? seems too weird to me. Like a hybrid of Omega Red and Dhalsim...but I
can't really play with him. lol. Only when I use his XCOPY super can I do
damage..

Personally I don't think he's that great but he's got some
good stuff. His throw priority is one of the highest if not the highest in the
game. I mean he will always throw you or tech. You just have to find good pokes
with twelve 'cause he ain't a combo character.

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Posted by Macgyver on June 4th, 2001 12:16 PM:

Heres top tier

Gouki
Ryu
Chun

every1 else

then 12

thats the tiers 4 ya

my fav is dudley and Remy
they rule!

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Posted by BillyKane on June 4th, 2001 04:08 PM:

In my opinion:

Chun-Li, Yun, Ryu, Ken, Q, Urien, Gouki

Oro,
Yang, Dudley, Hugo, Makoto, Remy, Alex, Elena, Necro

Ibuki, Sean,
Twelve... In that order

That's how I see things on high-level play.

Posted by mixup on June 4th, 2001 05:15 PM:

I dont have tons of experience in the game ( I've played for 3+ months on
little comp) but the parry systems seems to balance the game very well and the
"over powered" chun-li is beatable so overall, i would say it's too well rounded
to have true tiers.

In this game it's the player NOT the character
that is the advantage(save poor sean)
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Posted by shadow_WX on June 4th, 2001 05:20 PM:

im my opinion, the top tiers are-

1)chun li
2)ryu
3)Q

4)yang
5)urien/ken
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Posted by Shin_Gallon on June 4th, 2001 05:38 PM:

I can usually do fair with Sean, actually. He's got a decent high/low game,
but admittedly he's probably the weakest character in the game. Q is amazing,
his rush has high or low options, his taunt makes him almost invunerable, and
his SAI is VERY easy to combo into and does a TON of damage. His play kinda
reminds me of Bison from SFII, except he can use kicks and he's not a huge
boxer.

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Posted by shin srwilson on June 4th, 2001 05:40 PM:

I would say
1st tier
Gouki
Ryu
Ken
Chun li
Yang

2nd tier
Yun
Urien
Remy
Oro
Ibuki
3rd tier
Q

Hugo
Alex
Elena
Dudley
Makoto
4th tier
Sean

Twelve
Ultra cheapness
Gill
Gouki is my only stratedgy i need to
win i feel i can say ive truly mastered him ,now im trying to learn some of the
more obscure charcters such as Q and Alex etc..
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Posted by Hentai on June 4th, 2001 05:50 PM:

why is everyone ranking remy so high? i'd say hes 3rd tier at best, with
parrys guile style sonic boom and fk traps are pretty useless, hes fun but i
dont thing hes 2nd tier... not to mention he has one of the worst supers ever in
a fighting game.. anyway i think the tiers go like this

1st
Ryu

Ken
Chun Li
Yun
Urien

2nd
Alex
Hugo
Yang

Akuma
Dudley
Q
Oro
Ibuki

3rd
Elena
Necro

Makoto
Remy

Lowest Tier
Sean
Twelve

Posted by BillyKane on June 4th, 2001 06:06 PM:

The game is balanced, but there are still definitely tiers... I mean, try to
Chun a Chun-Li SA2 with a Twelve SA2...

I used to rank Remy very low because of the parrying system, but I've
recently played against one of the best players in my country and his best
character his Remy. For some reason, he still manages to win even against
parry-happy players because he knows good traps and his Remy is very fast.
Sadly, I can't really remember the traps he used... But I
should play against him again next week, and I'll try to gather some info.

Posted by NIN_CrimzinTerry on June 4th, 2001 06:48 PM:

Hmm thanks guys but really AKUMA 2nd tier i dont think so not even close he
is defienatly top tier i would say top 3 players in game someone mentioned
something like

Chung This is how it should be not particularly in this
order
Akuma but these are top 3 in game no doubt
Ryu

or some
order like that seriously thats how the order is why would you rank ken over
Akuma??? makes no sense akuma great supers air firball triple fireball DP of
hurricane kick teleport diving kick im not seeing ken being better than AKUMA

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Posted by FecalPenance on June 4th, 2001 07:02 PM:

Top Tier:
Yun
Sean

Upper Tier:
Alex
Chun Li

Ryu
Ken
Dudley

Middle Tier:
Akuma
Twelve
Ibuki

Q
Oro
Urien
Makoto

Bottom Tier:
Elena
Hugo

Necro
Yang

Posted by BillyKane on June 4th, 2001 07:05 PM:

Akuma is low 1st tier or high 2nd tier for me... He takes A LOT of damage. I
think Ryu and Ken are better.

Posted by batsu13 on June 4th, 2001 07:33 PM:

The best characters in the game are probably
Chun-Li
Akuma (to deny
it is to lie)
Yun
Hugo
Twelve
Ibuki (tho you must be amazing
with her to battle. ex= Eddie Lee)
Ryu (See Akuma)

No particular
order. I just typed them as soon as they popped into my head.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 4th, 2001 08:13 PM:

none of you people never played my makoto or hugo, so you can't put them at
the bottom of the ranks which there really aren't any ranks. I think ryu and ken
are equal for many reasons... And chunli is not the best character in the
game.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 4th, 2001 08:24 PM:

And you havent played their Chunlis or My Gouki he will put Hugo and Makoto
to shame! and dont bother going on about how Gouki would lose alot of energy to
Hugo i already know about his damage hanicap.
I myself just think Hugo is
too slow!
But true Ryu and Ken are equal in their own ways!
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 4th, 2001 08:27 PM:

Ibuki is cool. She takes too much damage though, she's like a much better
Akuma...^_^ I have always hated akuma, but ya, you can't deny that he's good in
this. Fortunatly, shotos and especially Akuma are predictable and easier to
parry. Remy is good too, he has zero recovery time on like 90% of anything he
does, even supers and stuff.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 4th, 2001 08:36 PM:

I would call myself a Gouki master and yes even thugh Shotos can be
predictable i try to be as unpredictable as possible and i completly change my
fighting style each round esspecially against top players to completly blitz
them!
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 4th, 2001 08:47 PM:

quote:

I would call myself a Gouki master and yes even thugh Shotos can be
predictable i try to be as unpredictable as possible and i completly change my
fighting style each round esspecially against top players to completly blitz
them!

As you should, but I was refering to the lack of moves. I
mean, fireball, uppercut, hurricane kick. I guess Akuma has his teleport and air
fireball which help, but the other shotos don't have much and are predictable.
I'm not bashing your game or anything, but I just think shotos are easy to
defeat unless they're played by a true master...or at least a good parrier. ^_^
Since I'm not a avid Gouki user...er...not a gouki user at all, is his
shungokusatsu any good in this? Haven't been hit with it yet, so I don't know if
that means no or what. And his best super is his fireball right?
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Posted by Average_Gamer on June 4th, 2001 08:49 PM:

I can see how all characters in the game are very useable. I dont think you'd
find tiers in this game until you reach the VERY top level... and even then
parrying can even it up. Apparently a Japanese Q player won a major tournament,
pretty much purely based on his incredible parrying skills.
I personally
favour Ken and Elena. I've tried Ibuki but its frustrating the amount of damage
you take... I'll stick with her though as I'm sure she's very good in the right
hands.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 4th, 2001 08:57 PM:

Strider =True a shotos moves are similar but have you ever thought about me
using Goukis Demon flip attacks as well as everything else ive got some right
combos out of that move.
The Raging Demon is quite useful i usually cancel
into it or use it as a suprise attack but it can leave you very vunerable and if
youre vunerable to say a Shinshoryuken SA Ryu player thats not good!

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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 4th, 2001 08:58 PM:

hugo is my anti-shoto exept gouki. Most players that know me just run away
with gouki with airfireballs. So I don't usually use hugo on gouki. Makoto is my
akuma killer or I use ken or sean. Makoto isn't about dash punch mix-ups and
dashin throws. Thats for beginners. Her saII will go right over akumas
airfireball surprisingly or a ground one and she also has the best safe antiair
moves parried or not. So your stuck with a ground fight with Makoto which is
very very bad. Oh yea, played some very good chunli's. Ken and Hugo is my chun
killer. You just have to know her weaknesses. There are a couple of top 3s
players here at austin that aren't known because we don't compete at major
tournies. Only Hsien does. If I had the money I would attend the midwest.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 4th, 2001 09:00 PM:

Judging from videos me and Hsien have a similar fighting Style with Gouki but
im a bit more offensve where hes more defensive.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 4th, 2001 09:06 PM:

hsien mixes up his defense and offe. which can really screw you sometimes. He
told me I had an "amazing hugo". He can play other characters but gouki is his
hugo killer ever since he met me. When I first came to town nobody knew how good
hugo can be until i played. And after a while everybody just turtles which gives
them a better chance of beating hugo. I found a way to do the walking 720 with
an u.s. joystick so I have plenty of gigas setups...
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Posted by BillyKane on June 4th, 2001 09:51 PM:

Hugo and Makoto are really good indeed... I'd say Makoto is probably top
tier. I still think Hugo is Middle Tier even though he's one of my best
characters. But I have to say I haven't played or even seen any Hugo master
play.

I think Chun-Li is the best character in Japan. The fact that the
best players in Japan usually use her shows something I guess.

And yeah,
parrying balances things out. But on high-level play, there are still
differences between the characters. I don't think it's correct to say that there
are no tiers. That Japanese Q player did very good thanks to his parrying but
then again, Q is one of the best characters in the game and should be played
that way. If he played that way with Twelve, he'd have got creamed.

Posted by LOLO on June 4th, 2001 09:58 PM:

Re: 3rd Strike Tier question

quote:

Originally posted by NIN_CrimzinTerry
Man I noticed that not a
lot of people post stuff about 3rd strike which is sad because it is a great
game but i was wondering

what are the Tiers in this game like a tier
and character in tier thing would be nice.

not really any tiers... only some characters are more easily to
use than the others...
ChunLi is strong and easy to learn... Yun is strong
too, but require more effort...
w/ Q and Hugo, u need to parry alot...

and u have to have quick judegment if u are using Ibuki...
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 4th, 2001 10:02 PM:

I think of Hsien as my USA counter part as we are both very dominant with
Gouki and although his parrying and defence skills are probably better than mine
its my pressured offense and mixing,reversing and cancelling parries into supers
that get the job done for me and my as alot of people tell me my amazing
reaction speed helps me alot as well.
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 4th, 2001 11:46 PM:

Heh well to be honest I'm not that Diverse in this game. I can only use
Chunny, Ibuki, Yun, Remy, Elena and Makoto, while usually I can use everybody in
other games. I guess I spend more time learning to parry. Lol, and even then,
it's weird. Anyway, I know Gouki is deadly cuz when I was first learning I got S
T O M P E D. I kinda learned, but I still hate fighting Akuma. He's a pussy ,
know what I mean? Anyway, against Gouki I try to use Chunny or Elena because
you'll need variety and high priority in poking and big damaging supers. Um I
guess that's it. Ibuki owns Hugo. ^_^
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 5th, 2001 12:42 AM:

I've beatin very good ibuki's with hugo haven't fought ed.lee. I fought a
couple at his level but different fighting style. You must master the red parry
to be good with hugo!

and have patients.

plus he has the same
taunt effect as Q
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Posted by LOLO on June 5th, 2001 12:58 AM:

Hugo's taunt takes longer time then Q's taunt...
i seriously will choose
using Q over Hugo...
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 5th, 2001 01:03 AM:

since hugo has the longest reach for his kara- cancel, do the choke hold and
after he throws him away taunt. after the antiair throw taunt. he has two taunts
tap the buttons for short taunt which is longer that Q's but from across the
screen is safe. Hold the buttons for a longer taunt, this will increase the
damage of the next special throw you land including the gigas and antiair super.
Hugo vs. Q will be a poke fest for real!
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Posted by taelim77 on June 5th, 2001 02:39 AM:

hehe, since LOLO seemed to have found an avatar he likes (which of who looks
like Hyo-lee from a korean girl group singers), I'll change mine to my GF's
pic...

I started summer school and no one is at my school arcade because
it's summer. it sucks to play the computer alone. not even ppl to watch me play

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Posted by LOLO on June 5th, 2001 03:07 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by taelim77
hehe, since LOLO seemed to have
found an avatar he likes (which of who looks like Hyo-lee from a korean girl
group singers), I'll change mine to my GF's pic...

I started summer
school and no one is at my school arcade because it's summer. it sucks to play
the computer alone. not even ppl to watch me play

lol...
hehehe...
well maybe i should upload other pix of my g/f... which doesn't
look too much alike to the Lee girl...

well... no one play w/ me most of da time... so if someone challenge me, i
kinda have to do a close win on purpose, so ppl will keep putting in $$~~
u
should try this too... hehehe...
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Posted by Onny on June 5th, 2001 10:25 AM:

oooo, my first post on srk.. very scary.

personally, i can't really see that there are tiers as such in 3S.
certainly it seems a lot easier to win with certain characters than others (for
example, I would say that it is much more difficult to win with Sean than it is
with Chun Li), but at the end of the day that all comes down to practice. I
guess most of us judge the tiers on what we have seen (which is why I would
place Urien in the top tier.. i know a very good Urien player ),
but in all honesty with enough work anyone can be good, can't they? yes, even
sean.

to round off my very first post on srk, mind if i ask you a quick
question eddie? thing is, i've been using makoto for a while now and i can't
seem to get a very good mixup game going with her.. what do you use to punish
people who crouch? i find her oroshii (i think that's the name.. qcb+P) comes
out a bit too slow and her universal overhead just gets parried.. any ideas?
also, in which situations do you use her dp+P? i keep trying to use it when
someone jumps in, but most times i find it far safer just to crouch+MK.

sorry about the extra, off-topic questions

p.s, Srwilson do you ever go into gamezone in London? i'm going back to
london for good next monday.. maybe we could meet sometime and I could try my
makoto out against your Gouki.
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Posted by Macgyver on June 5th, 2001 11:15 AM:

Tisk Tisk Tisk

were have all the dudley fans gone?

Well i
must be the only 1

Well i'd like to start playing 3rd Strike more

So i need help, any1 know were i can find out how to use Dudley 2 his
Max

i'm ok with Dudley but i thought i was ok @ MvsC2 b4 i found this
site

some1 post up some good Dud Strats plzzzz
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Posted by BillyKane on June 5th, 2001 12:58 PM:

Onny: I'm not in London but I know srwilson isn't in London. But if you're
looking for good competition, I know some players from Gamezone. One of them is
named thehy, he posts on the gamefaqs Third Strike board. I'm sure he'd be glad
to play with you (he likes Q).

Posted by Onny on June 5th, 2001 01:08 PM:

he plays Q? excellent. I've been wanting to play a Q player for a while now..
although I am sure that I'll walk away from the machine in tears after getting
my arse served to me.

i'll take a look at gamefaqs.. i used to be fairly active on there as
hitokiri.. expect to see the 3S board invaded by my posts soon.

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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 5th, 2001 03:26 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Onny
oooo, my first post on srk.. very
scary.

personally, i can't really see that there are tiers as such in 3S.
certainly it seems a lot easier to win with certain characters than others
(for example, I would say that it is much more difficult to win with Sean than
it is with Chun Li), but at the end of the day that all comes down to
practice. I guess most of us judge the tiers on what we have seen (which is
why I would place Urien in the top tier.. i know a very good Urien player ), but in all honesty with enough work anyone can be good, can't
they? yes, even sean.

to round off my very first post on srk, mind if
i ask you a quick question eddie? thing is, i've been using makoto for a while
now and i can't seem to get a very good mixup game going with her.. what do
you use to punish people who crouch? i find her oroshii (i think that's the
name.. qcb+P) comes out a bit too slow and her universal overhead just gets
parried.. any ideas? also, in which situations do you use her dp+P? i keep
trying to use it when someone jumps in, but most times i find it far safer
just to crouch+MK.
sorry about the extra, off-topic questions

First off your right I have a very good sean. I've gotten
win streaks and have people in the back ground talking like they never seen a
sean player that good. Wouldn't use him at tourney cause of the fact of sean
being a hard person to use...

And for makoto. PM me and I will give you
some info and tell you some secrets about her...Mix up the strengths of the
oroshii which changes the speed. Add a couple of ex-oroshiis cause the damage is
very high cause of the added damage for crouching. Especially on akuma.

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Posted by Hentai on June 5th, 2001 04:11 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS
none of you people never
played my makoto or hugo, so you can't put them at the bottom of the ranks
which there really aren't any ranks. I think ryu and ken are equal for many
reasons... And chunli is not the best character in the game.

i dont know i may have i lived in austin up until a year
ago and played 3 or 4 times a week at e's.. i played almost only Hugo and Q,
came in 3rd in the 1st 3s Tournament...So who still plays down there? Hoss still
around? Jack? whats the current line-up, everyone still play at einstines?,
anyway. i use hugo and q as anti-shoto and just try and change up my supers to
beat the diffrent player types... i use Q's #1 super alot more then his #2 now,
since i found out that the ex version of that 'Swing your arms like a nut job'
move combos into everything, has a knock-down effect and does high stun damage
its good to have the #2 supers then just the 1.. plus it has the same effect the
hammer frenzy does of going thru most anything. BTW my real life name is Robb.

Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 05:07 PM:

Onny -Dont really go to London much i may come in the summer but i dont know
yet, I will battle your Makoto if i ever get down there I hope you are good
!!
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Posted by Ryu-ism on June 5th, 2001 06:31 PM:

I remember a while back some Japanese mag rated/ranked the characters.
I
only remember the top three.

1.Chun
2.Alex
3.Ken

This
was a long while back, I could be wrong. Q was like number 6 I think.

I
wonder why they took out Shin Akuma from 2nd Impact?

Posted by Onny on June 5th, 2001 06:32 PM:

heh. and i hope you are good.

out of interest, where do you play if you don't play in london?
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Posted by Tripple on June 5th, 2001 06:59 PM:

I hate tiers

Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 5th, 2001 07:02 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Hentai

i dont know i may have i
lived in austin up until a year ago and played 3 or 4 times a week at e's.. i
played almost only Hugo and Q, came in 3rd in the 1st 3s Tournament...So who
still plays down there? Hoss still around? Jack? whats the current line-up,
everyone still play at einstines?, anyway. i use hugo and q as anti-shoto and
just try and change up my supers to beat the diffrent player types... i use
Q's #1 super alot more then his #2 now, since i found out that the ex version
of that 'Swing your arms like a nut job' move combos into everything, has a
knock-down effect and does high stun damage its good to have the #2 supers
then just the 1.. plus it has the same effect the hammer frenzy does of going
thru most anything. BTW my real life name is Robb.

Jack went taiwan and will be back at the end of he month.
Never heard of Hoss. Hsien also is at taiwan. The line up? well hsien(best
akuma/yun) is still number one and me(the best hugo/makoto), mopreme(the best
ryu), pho(the best ken), jack(the best ibuki), and neal(the best necro). I think
we all fall in the same level of comp. since when we all are at the arcade we go
back and forth all day long.
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Posted by sayiajin1 on June 5th, 2001 07:25 PM:

yo eddie williams. i find myself pretty good in 3s. im better on dc with my
saturn pad though. i cant really play on a stick to well though. i bought a mas
off my friend but its tight as hell with a hard spring i believe. i cant even
really do supers to well on it and its very frustrating. how do i get on level
with you guys in austin. im from nyc so i play with eddie and sabin and them.
they beat me most of the time especially when i pick my favorite character
ibuki. i have a chance with chunli and alex but i refuse to use anyone other
than ibuki. how can i improve. do u have any tips or strats. i also use hugo as
well. i gave up on him though. he was my first character. since you said you can
do walking 720 how do u set them up. i like to whife the overhead and
immediately do the gigas breaker.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 5th, 2001 07:36 PM:

eddie and sabin are very good at the game. I'm not good with ibuki so you
might want to ask edlee. I think that's his best character. Chun Li, with
anybody you have to knock her down with a trip. Cause any other attack will get
out done by her high priority so you can start doing some setups. Sabin came
down to TX a while ago.. he's pretty good. Hsien messed him up at the tourney
with his akuma.
I also have a hard spring mas stick. Get used to it and you
will be able to adopt to the springs at the public arcades. You never know how
the springs are when you first visit a new arcade.

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Posted by Hentai on June 5th, 2001 07:41 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS

Jack went taiwan and
will be back at the end of he month. Never heard of Hoss. Hsien also is at
taiwan. The line up? well hsien(best akuma/yun) is still number one and me(the
best hugo/makoto), mopreme(the best ryu), pho(the best ken), jack(the best
ibuki), and neal(the best necro). I think we all fall in the same level of
comp. since when we all are at the arcade we go back and forth all day long.

well say hi to jack and hsien for me, is mopreme the guy
with the long hair and glasses?.. oh and does casey still work at le fun ? who
all outside of hsien is coming to b5? they are having that mini-3s tournament
with the guys from japan should be intresting.

Posted by sayiajin1 on June 5th, 2001 07:42 PM:

i asked eddie lee for some ibuki strats and he showed me first hand what she
capable of. how long did it take you to get used to that stick. i find it
impossible to play shotos on. its alot easier using people like chun and urien.
anyway do u mind posting some hugo strats. whats the best anti air against air
hurricane kicks. i use down and fierce or a well timed anti air grab.
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 5th, 2001 07:45 PM:

Gouki

I would have to still argue for Akuma. Although he takes more damage compared
to the other shotos, he has a LOT more capability for mixing up his stategies.
Most good Ryu players have turtle tendencies and Ken isn't as punishing as
Gouki. Chun-Li isn't as good as everyone says she is if you get used to her. Her
style is just really awkward (her cross-over, overhead kick is severely
disorienting if you turtle).

I'd have to say top tier is:

1.
akuma
2. sean (ONLY because of his F+HK...)
3. Makoto (for her
aforementioned anti-air abilities)

second

1. Elena
2. Alex

3. Ibuki
4. Chun-Li
5. Dudley (If you've ever gotten juggled into
two of his supers from a 5 hit combo, you know what I mean).

then theres
the others that I don't play against. I know Q and Hugo can really punish people
but I haven't played any good Q or Hugo players.

Yeah, I know that it
seems awkward but that's what I've seen against akuma.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 08:26 PM:

Onny -i play at The Namco wonderpark here in Sheffield i also play CVS alot
too are you good at that?
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 5th, 2001 08:49 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Hentai

well say hi to jack and
hsien for me, is mopreme the guy with the long hair and glasses?.. oh and does
casey still work at le fun ? who all outside of hsien is coming to b5? they
are having that mini-3s tournament with the guys from japan should be
intresting.

yes, Mopr. is the one with the long hair. Man I would love
to attend b5 just to see were am I in the 3s level of play. Me and hsien have
good fights with one of us left with a little energy left at the end but I
probably won't beat him at a tourney cause I usually beat him every 2 wins and
in double elemination I would have been toast.

For the hugo player>
you have to anticipate the air hurricane kick and do an early jump back with
strong. Other than that parry or block then grabem!

It took maybe two weeks or less to get use to the mas. At first I
couldn't stand it and started to buy a 360 for it. Now I can use it better than
the stick at my local arcade.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 08:55 PM:

Its alright for you EDDIE you get to play top players all the time by the
sounds of it i only get to play the best over here in tourneys when i leave them
for dead.
I wish could get to play the "top" players here more often theres
alot of good ones at our arcade but im way better than they are.

BTW
-did you get my private message i sent to you earlier?
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Posted by Hentai on June 5th, 2001 09:02 PM:

Re: Gouki

quote:

Originally posted by Gouki-Worshiper
I would have to still argue
for Akuma. Although he takes more damage compared to the other shotos, he has
a LOT more capability for mixing up his stategies. Most good Ryu players have
turtle tendencies and Ken isn't as punishing as Gouki. Chun-Li isn't as good
as everyone says she is if you get used to her. Her style is just really
awkward (her cross-over, overhead kick is severely disorienting if you
turtle).

I'd have to say top tier is:

1. akuma
2. sean
(ONLY because of his F+HK...)
3. Makoto (for her aforementioned anti-air
abilities)

second

1. Elena
2. Alex
3. Ibuki
4.
Chun-Li
5. Dudley (If you've ever gotten juggled into two of his supers
from a 5 hit combo, you know what I mean).

then theres the others that
I don't play against. I know Q and Hugo can really punish people but I haven't
played any good Q or Hugo players.

Yeah, I know that it seems awkward
but that's what I've seen against akuma.

sean? egads.. and i think his best "normal" move is b+fp,
quick, wierd hit range and charges up your super.. but sean is pretty far from
top tier.. makoto, ive never had a problem with makoto personally, when someone
picks her i usually think "oh boy, easy win" i take that back i USED to fear her
because of that cheezy infinite tick trap but when i figured out how to get out
of it, she wasnt jack and akuma is strong 2nd but not 1st, hsien does well with
akuma because he is hsien and he is very good at the game, the rest of us can't
really handle the insane damage you take with akuma. (one SPD with hugo does
what, 40%? Gigas does like 90%? thats just silly) chun is top tier because of
that #2 super, if you've ever fought someone who knows that super well you know
what im talking about every thing that hits (even a UOH) will connect to the
super. Q is high tier because of his taunt and his supers (#1 and #2.. #3 is
just funny.) tho i cant really say he is "top", i reserve top for Ryu,Ken,Chun
and the like.. Q and Hugo and do insane damage in a very short time but there
are counters for them.

Posted by Hentai on June 5th, 2001 09:05 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS

yes, Mopr. is the
one with the long hair. Man I would love to attend b5 just to see were am I in
the 3s level of play. Me and hsien have good fights with one of us left with a
little energy left at the end but I probably won't beat him at a tourney cause
I usually beat him every 2 wins and in double elemination I would have been
toast.

so why not go? the price of airfare isnt that bad, b5
happens at kind of an off time. it would be nice to see some of the old austin
crew there, i think hoss moved down here to CA somewhere, could you ask jack
when he gets back? i'm curious. thanks.

Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 09:15 PM:

Im a Gouki master over here and im good at the game BUT my sucess comes from
the Fact that i Only study him wayyyyyyyyy morethan any other character im good
with Ryu & Ken too but i think my Gouki sucess comes from the fact that 110%
of my attention goes in to Gouki where as in someone say Hsien his attention is
not only on Gouki ive heard his Yun is better and stuff like that.

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Posted by LOLO on June 5th, 2001 09:52 PM:

for ppl that uses Akuma, Ryu and Ken... becoz they are kinda the main
characters of the game that many many ppl are using them... so everyone knows
their tricks and surely have their method to destroy u... it's important to
learn all other characters, not just for fun, but it will gives u more than
enough idea of each characters weaknesses etc...
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 09:53 PM:

Oh believe me LOLO ive took some beatings in the past but ive always come out
victorious!
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Posted by LOLO on June 5th, 2001 09:58 PM:

yea i know...
i still uses Akuma for high level play...
it's just a
suggestion coz after i kinda mastered other characters, when i uses Akuma again,
i found my Akuma become stronger... dunno y thou...
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Posted by Cletus Kasady on June 5th, 2001 10:03 PM:

There's a few tiers:

The "I want to kick ass" tier:
Chun Li, Yun

The "I want to win" tier (Not too far behind):
Ryu/Ken/Akuma

The "Average" tier (Fairly far behind):
Everyone but the
aforementioned, Sean & Twelve. This is usually where people get the idea
that the game is "balanced" or that "there are no tiers".

The "Sean
& Twelve" tier (Bottom tier)

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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 5th, 2001 10:15 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by shin srwilson
Its alright for you EDDIE you
get to play top players all the time by the sounds of it i only get to play
the best over here in tourneys when i leave them for dead.
I wish could
get to play the "top" players here more often theres alot of good ones at our
arcade but im way better than they are.

BTW -did you get my private
message i sent to you earlier?

Yea I got. when I tried to reply somecame up and said your
pm box is full and you can't recieve anything until you make some room...
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 10:24 PM:

Ok i will make room for a message now, send me one in a couple of
minutes.
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Posted by Onny on June 5th, 2001 10:34 PM:

SRwilson:

you play in sheffield? do they have a 3S in the wonderpark?
i can't remember seeing one last time i was there.. oh well.

if they DO
have a 3S machine there then pretty soon you'll being seeing my friend popping
up with his nasty, nasty Urien. evil FAS setups.

he posts on this
board.. you should pm him and meet up. it'd be great competition for both of you
i'm sure

cletus do you really think chun li and the shoto players are that far
ahead? hmmm.. interesting. i really think that although shotos are no doubt very
very good, they aren't THAT much better than a lot of other characters.

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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 10:51 PM:

I mainly go to the wonderpark to play CVS and SFZ3 i usually play SF3 3rd
strike at the cybercenter arcade they have CVS there as well.
IM pretty sure
they have SF3 3rd strike there but i havent been there for a few weeks -to the
wonderpark.
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Posted by Onny on June 5th, 2001 10:55 PM:

the cybercentre arcade?

where's that? still in sheffield?
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 11:00 PM:

Its right out of town it closed at Xmas but its open again now.
So this
player who uses Urien is Evil eh well look at my sig hehe.
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Posted by Onny on June 5th, 2001 11:14 PM:

ok cool.. i guess we should have really done this conversation by pm or
talked in the matching forum, but oh well..

pm with the details about what sort of time it's busy in this
cybercentre place and it's whereabouts and i'll pass it on to my mate. and no
matter how evil you might think you are, his urien will be even crueller and
more vicious.. probably. we'll see eh?

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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 11:18 PM:

Has your mate competed or won any tournaments on it with his Urien?
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 5th, 2001 11:37 PM:

Heh, yeah I know that sean sucks. Low damage done, crappy moves. I don't like
him at all. Just put him there because my friend who is exceptionally good uses
him and makes him look good (b/c of parrying ANYONE can be good in this game...)
and his F+HK messes with me when I am ready for his Ape Move (the dash punch
thing) or his wanna be tatsumaki.

Yeah, and akuma isn't better just
because he's akuma, but because I put all my SF gaming time into studying what I
can/can't do with him and perfecting that ability.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 11:41 PM:

Yeahi think Sean suxs and like ive said further up this board i put over 110%
into mastering Gouki!
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Posted by shadow_WX on June 5th, 2001 11:49 PM:

sean is by no means one of the top tiers and for me, gouki is just too slow
and takes a lot of damage in third strike
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 5th, 2001 11:51 PM:

I agree with you about Sean but i bet i could lay you out with my Gouki
have a nice day!
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 6th, 2001 12:58 AM:

I'll assure you that gouki is by no means slow. no, he's not ibuki. but his
WIDE variety of moves make him a very difficult opponent. They had to raise his
dmg taken level because of how well rounded his moves were. The combination of
of his air hadoukens, his air D+MK, and his Hundred Demon moves really leave him
with no significant weaknesses, even over ryu and ken.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 6th, 2001 01:06 AM:

Not many people that i know of could use the Demon flip more eefectively than
me thats a gurantee!
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 6th, 2001 01:15 AM:

maybe me!
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 6th, 2001 03:21 AM:

BLeh, the Demon flip sucks in this one. I only use it in SFZ3...I don't think
I've ever been hit by it, but then against, I'm one of those guys that always
take Cammy out of that flip throw thing. I just I'm good at avoiding stuff like
that, but I rarely see people connecting anything with it, why is it good?
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 03:44 AM:

i say it one more time... you haven't played my sean yet.hehehe. Sean take
energy like ryu too.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 03:56 AM:

i am so glad to see a 3s post last so long and has lots of people posting
about this game. I never posted this much before just used pm to meet up with
the austin players. This is my fav. game.
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Posted by LOLO on June 6th, 2001 04:30 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS
i am so glad to see a 3s
post last so long and has lots of people posting about this game. I never
posted this much before just used pm to meet up with the austin players.
This is my fav. game.

lol... me too... let's just keep it going... *bump*
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Posted by Hentai on June 6th, 2001 04:48 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS
i am so glad to see a 3s
post last so long and has lots of people posting about this game. I never
posted this much before just used pm to meet up with the austin players.
This is my fav. game.

anyone down there do the Oro/Urien unblockable stuff? did
mvc2 or cvs catch on down there? i heard its all 3s all the time still in
austin. at shgl its all mvc2 all the time now. rare to see someone play 3s or
cvs.

Posted by Onny on June 6th, 2001 11:23 AM:

how do you do the oro unblockable stuff? is it using his "big ball" super
art? (excuse the name, i know nothing about oro )
i've experienced the urien unblockable "fas" thing.. it's pretty nasty.

as for the gouki demon flip.. well i can see it's uses. it's nice to use
if people can't recognise it from a normal jump. and from the way you're talking
i can kind of understand where his confusion tactics lie (especially with the
different speeds of his air FB compared to his d+MK).

thing is, like
LOLO, i find it hard to believe that most people you play won't have some sort
of "shoto-killer" strategy.. after all everyone has fought shotos a lot more
than any other character. for example, I personally would be more worried about
fighting a good Q or Sean than fighting a good Ken, purely because I'm not
really familiar with the sort of stuff that Q and Sean will come out with.

but if you're good enough to overcome people's expectations of fighting
a shotokaner, then more power to you I guess.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 03:11 PM:

Yes, CvS and MvC2 are here. And once again Hsien is the top player at CvS by
winning a tourney at uh and beating r.ortiz. A player here won the MvC2 tourney
at uh a couple of weeks back.

Austin is still the only place in the
nation were 3s is popular. and still the choice here at austin overall.

urien and oro's unbl. has to do something with doing the super then
crossing over to the other side and attacking so they can't block both sides at
the same time. Don't play with them but i know with urien you just throw and
immediatly to a jab reflector and then do a fierce hopping headbutt. If you
timed it right you will hop right over you opponent while he is still recovering
from the throw.
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Posted by Hentai on June 6th, 2001 04:30 PM:

yeah i've found some cool stuff with urien, his Ex-headbutt is an amazing
move because it hits out much longer then it looks (longer then uriens sweep,
and he has a long sweep) a cool combo is like, Ex-HB, Shoulder thrust, Reflector
with strong and fierce (air reflector) hits for like 6 or 7, Ex-HB, Shoulder
Thrust, Forward charge or however you want to finish it..

another fun
combo is with oro and his t.stone super, now do it at lev.3, then do stand
strong, f+strong,j.middle over and over, or mix it up however, once the s.strong
hits they are going to lose like half. as for his unblockable, the way i found
to do it is Fierce snott ball, Rh Dance-on-the-head, that puts you right behind
them then just do low jabs until the super gets there, i usually throw two in a
row for fun.

Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 6th, 2001 06:06 PM:

The demon flip is infinately useful. Check out my mini strat guide on the
"Shoto Veterans Help" thread about Akuma. Even against master parryers the Demon
Flip slide trick while they are parrying either his Messatsu Gou Hadou or his
hcb+HP Gou Hadou is tricky. And I have yet to see someone tech hit his Hundred
Demon Throw. It's not as crucial as his air fireball or his version of the
tatsumaki, but in 3rd strike, a good variety in your strategy is neccessary and
the hundred demon moves are used rarely enough for it to fatally confuse
people.
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Posted by Onny on June 6th, 2001 06:22 PM:

is his Hundred Demon throw the one from the demon flip? if so, is it even
possible to tech out of it? i guess it ISN'T.. i mean, it's got the properties
of a command throw, right? i can see how it can be handy though.. watching those
videos of hsien in action made me appreciate how nasty the dark shoto can be
when he uses the full range of his moves

Urien's "FAS" (unblockable reflector) is fairly basic in theory. when
your opponent is downed, throw out a jab aegis reflector and then get to the
other side of them as quickly as possible (the best way is to use the headbutt).
you then have to land a meaty crouching jab as your victim gets to their feet
and presto! the aegis reflector is unblockable and MUST be parried. you
basically hit them from two sides at once. (NB; this "bug" was fixed in the DC
version)

it's a handy (and annoying) trick. however, if your victim
recovery rolls from the original throw (or whatever) then it makes it all but
impossible to do properly. thank god

urien's a great character to use; he's got some awesome combos and if
you can catch someone with his crouching fierce then you can set peeps up for
all sorts of nasty shit. but i can't help thinking that he suffers against
faster characters like Yun and Ibuki.
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 6th, 2001 06:30 PM:

yeah, its the one from the demon flip. excellent move. also, his 3rd super is
brutal because most people underestimate it for its not so good combo-ability.
What they miss is the fact that you can juggle their knocked out body with that
super, and have all the hits connect.

Where could I attain some of this
footage of Hsien? I have yet to see him in action...
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Posted by Hentai on June 6th, 2001 07:13 PM:

i have a quick question for eddie or whoever, you play Sean from what ive
seen, can you juggle 2 of his DP Supers together? and if so how, i can do One
(mash) then an Ex-Dp or standing attack but if i do another super it just goes
thru them.

Posted by shin srwilson on June 6th, 2001 07:21 PM:

You aught to see me doing combos using the Demon flip hahahah!!
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 07:29 PM:

i just studied oro(i can learn a character in about an hour). his unbl. is
better than uriens. I found two ways the second one i know for sure is
unescapable

***do the choke hold throw. after he falls do a fierce
superball. dash> standing forward> forward hopkick. The hop kick does a
crossover causing the unbl. because they have to block the ball the same way it
came out and you can't block both ways at the same time so the superball is
hitting the back of their head. After you land do one of the following: standing
strong>cancel jump> rh. Or. standing forward> hcb+p. This does roughly
40 to 60%(on akuma) damage depending on who you are fighting.

***standing strong> f. superball. While the sball is juggling
Immediatly throw another f. superball. Dash then regular jump over you fallen
opponent. and as they get up sball is right over them so they have to block the
other way, do a crouching short> link standing forward> hcb+p.

for
some reason the computer can block all of that

since i don't use him i don't mind spilling the beans, but if anybody
wants it on their faq I want the credit.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 07:32 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Hentai
i have a quick question for eddie or
whoever, you play Sean from what ive seen, can you juggle 2 of his DP Supers
together? and if so how, i can do One (mash) then an Ex-Dp or standing attack
but if i do another super it just goes thru them.

I don't use that super, but yes. If you ever connect with
the shocannon and the person ends up in the corner you will land before him so
do a standing rh(knee lift) cancel into the second one. precise timing
indeed!
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Posted by Hentai on June 6th, 2001 07:35 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS

I don't use that
super, but yes. If you ever connect with the shocannon and the person ends up
in the corner you will land before him so do a standing rh(knee lift) cancel
into the second one. precise timing indeed!

what super do you use? burst? i never saw the point of that
one, one parry to stop a super? ouch.

Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 07:50 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Hentai

what super do you use?
burst? i never saw the point of that one, one parry to stop a super? ouch.

I use the burst for ex moves. and ex dragon punches when
you need them. Only use the burst in combos. My super is SAIII. I have an
aggressive sean so I always charge one every round. And if you ever connect with
his kneelift just link into the super. You don't have to cancel it. Just mix up
throw and then sneak a knee then thats 50 to 60% energy if the knee hits. Or
just combo the jab tackle, don't tackle and throw. After a super is charged do
the tackle combo, don't tackle, but instead do a sh,jab,sh, super. The person
was expecting a throw and tried to escape and got supered. this works with burst
also.
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 6th, 2001 07:53 PM:

Thats quite similar to how i use Sean when i can be bothered with him!

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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 07:57 PM:

srwilson. i tried emailing twice and i keep getting an email back saying that
the hotmail failed to send it.

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Its dodgy that address instead just go to myprofile click on send shin
srwilson an email and send me one there that WILL work!
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 08:07 PM:

i can't remeber the last time i seen a 3s post with over 100 replies. Thats
what i'm talking about. I hate to seeing this game dying. I hope people are
practicing to fight japs. at the b5. I would love to attend but i can't. At
least use the unblockable oro to cheat or something.(laughing)
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 6th, 2001 08:12 PM:

Dont forget to email me what you were going to say to me now ive told you how
to get to me.
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Posted by sayiajin1 on June 6th, 2001 08:17 PM:

dont worry guys. im gonna rep at b5. im gonna challenge the japs. eddie
williams was right. the tight mas isnt that bad. you just need to use it on a
flat base while standing. i put my fireplace in front of the tv and put the mas
on top of it. its just like the arcade. a little more practice and i'll be up
there. the problem was i was trying to play with the stick in my lap or on the
floor. what an idiot.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 6th, 2001 08:24 PM:

I use it on the floor. back be hurting after a while though.

did
anybody read about my oro in the page before this one??
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 6th, 2001 08:30 PM:

I usually put my Joystick on a table and sit at a chair looking at the screen
like an arcde machine or i just put it on my bed whilst i play.
I love my
customised arcade stick!!
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 6th, 2001 08:46 PM:

what are the options I have for a dreamcast arcade stick? I've seen a couple
but they aren't really that good...

I would be willing to spend up to
300 or so dollars on one if it's really that good as it would still save me from
spending 10/wk at the arcade...
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 6th, 2001 08:55 PM:

EDDIE-are you going to send that email then?
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 7th, 2001 12:04 AM:

quote:

what are the options I have for a dreamcast arcade stick? I've seen a couple
but they aren't really that good...

yeah, definately get a mas stick. They rule.

http://www.massystems.com/ProStick.html

As for the japs, lol I'm practicing but not with too much competition.
I'd like to play some of you guys at B5 a few days early. I'm going a few days
early to practice myself, you guys too right?

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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 7th, 2001 12:47 AM:

thx, I'm ordering one tonight

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Posted by Onny on June 7th, 2001 01:10 AM:

yeah that oro unblockable sounds about the same sort of theory as the urien
one.. make them block from two directions at once

apparently, the japanese don't see these strategies to be that useful
since they can be "parried easily" of
course, that might be "bollocks" (as we brits like to say), but there you go. if
it's true then i'm going to give this game up right now

i personally find the official sega DC arcade stick to be fine for my
meagre needs.. a student grant only pays for so much, you know but at
least i find stuff easier to pull off in the arcade than at home (which is the
best way to be, right? )

and eddie you're right it IS good to see an active 3S thread.. it's such
an awesome game and yet so bizarrely unpopular.
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 7th, 2001 01:53 AM:

so true, I really really really love third strike compared to all the other
games. I have them all on my dreamcast but nothing compares to 3rd strike. I
really don't know why people don't prefer it. Yeah..the stupid ability for the
crazy japs to parry EVERYTHING is a deterent...just don't play them I guess. I
have a few Akuma strats that are ALMOST unparryable. I've only seen the training
mode parryer do it and I doubt a human could...

Also, anyone know where
I could download some good 3s footage? All the multimedia on srk.com seems to be
dead and their 3s footage is pretty limited
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 7th, 2001 04:35 AM:

http://kof.cgol.net/sf33demo.mht

There are a few...pretty good ones actually.

Did you see that
Jap vs US vid where the Q player parried an entire hurricane kick? Fucking
insane man.
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Posted by mixup on June 7th, 2001 07:24 AM:

The hurricane kick is a simple parry, forward 3 times(Maybe not against
akuma, against him i think it's 4, anyone?) even the air one isn't a killer. the
parrying is the best part of the game it just makes you rethink all of your
strategies.
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 7th, 2001 08:31 AM:

parrying is weird for me. I can do it usually, but I don't know about an
entire hurricane kick in a tourney. Call me old fashioned but I am used to
holding back and not getting hit. I can however, do KoF style with dodging and
stuff, which I prefer. I agree with you, 3S is great cuz you have to kinda
relearn strats/counters.
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:11 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by mixup
The hurricane kick is a simple parry,
forward 3 times(Maybe not against akuma, against him i think it's 4, anyone?)
even the air one isn't a killer. the parrying is the best part of the game it
just makes you rethink all of your strategies.

it's 5 when u parry from the very first hit of a Roundhouse
Tatsumaki...
air Tatsumaki is usually 3 to 4...
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:14 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Onny
yeah that oro unblockable sounds about
the same sort of theory as the urien one.. make them block from two directions
at once

not really 2 directions at once... u just have to hold the
joystick away from ur opponent at all time... so just keeping track of ur
opponent's position will do the job...
or just keep tapping down to parry
whatever he is throwing at u so u don't have to worrie about which side to
parry...
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:16 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Strider HiryuuX
http://kof.cgol.net/sf33demo.mht

There are a few...pretty good ones actually.

Did you see that
Jap vs US vid where the Q player parried an entire hurricane kick? Fucking
insane man.

ahh... broken linkz... ><
and parrying tatsumaki is
nthg insane... it's like eating and shiting which we all do everyday... hehehe...
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:17 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Gouki-Worshiper
so true, I really really
really love third strike compared to all the other games. I have them all on
my dreamcast but nothing compares to 3rd strike. I really don't know why
people don't prefer it.

well... the reason is 3S is a more complicated games than the
other games around... so not too many ppl have the skill to play the game... and
that's y not too many ppl play the game... it's understandable...
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:22 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by shin srwilson
Not many people that i know
of could use the Demon flip more eefectively than me thats a gurantee!

lol... wow...
i am practicing cancelling the hits of the
demon flip into the raging demon after the c.Fierce XX Short Tatsumaki, s.Fierce
XX Foward Demon Flip...
that the demon flip itself won't hit at all if u can
picture the image...
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 7th, 2001 09:22 AM:

Well exxxxxcuse me. We aren't all 3S gods. In fact I might even go as far as
to say I'm not even the best at this game At
anyrate, absolutely zero 3S comp here, so I will of course learn tons at b5,
even if just by watching...after my chunny or Ibuki gets owned by everyone.
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:29 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Strider HiryuuX
Well exxxxxcuse me...

lol if u are referring to my msg i was just joking... gez...

i have no problems w/ the non parry play style...
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Posted by energon on June 7th, 2001 09:32 AM:

First off, the Oro thing doesn't work on all characters. It doesn't work on
ken, ryu, and probably akuma. The Urien unblockable is pretty useless if the guy
rolls. Plus, the Japanese don't use the Urien trick because it doesn't work in
the Japanese updated version of 3s.
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:35 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by energon
Plus, the Japanese don't use the
Urien trick because it doesn't work in the Japanese updated version of 3s.

seriously what's the diff b/w the updated one and the non
updated one?? ???
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Posted by Strider HiryuuX on June 7th, 2001 09:53 AM:

lol, I was just suggesting that you were probably better than me while still
keeping my bad ass attitude...um...so much for that now. The difference in the
3s Versions is just move execution timing and some other minuit stuff, I guess
enough to change a trap though.
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Posted by LOLO on June 7th, 2001 09:59 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Strider HiryuuX
The difference in the 3s
Versions is just move execution timing and some other minuit stuff, I guess
enough to change a trap though.

icic... gez... that sucks... i mean y bother change a such
setting... they should probably make a more updated US version that fix the
Yang's super naming bug and the Yun Genie Jin glitch... ><
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Posted by Onny on June 7th, 2001 11:24 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by energon
The Urien unblockable is pretty
useless if the guy rolls. Plus, the Japanese don't use the Urien trick because
it doesn't work in the Japanese updated version of 3s

yeah that's true about the rolling out from the urien
unblockable, but if he does his neutral throw it can be a bit difficult to
predict when you'll hit the ground.. so it's tough to recover from. well,
tougher in any
case, it shouldn't concern gouki players, because they can just teleport out.

i don't think the updated version of 3S is common even in japanese arcades..
at least, that's what i read somewhere. i think it was in john choi's b4 report.

LOLO can you really parry everything in urien's FAS (unblockable)?
that's some mad skill you've got there. i must confess to having not thought
about crouch parrying it.. *goes off to practice*
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Posted by Mr Creed on June 7th, 2001 01:23 PM:

About the different version of 3S. I've got one 3S machine near my house and
there is also one in the city that I play on. The one near my house has the
bonus stages (Car, parry prac) while the one in the city does'nt. Are these
different versions or has the arcade operator just dis/enabled the bonus rounds?

Also, can Ureins SA1 (shoulder charge thingy) be comboed off anything other
than a juming fierce/roundhouse?
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Posted by shin srwilson on June 7th, 2001 01:47 PM:

Ive comboed it off a EX Chariot tackle move!
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Posted by Mr Creed on June 7th, 2001 02:50 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by shin srwilson
Ive comboed it off a EX
Chariot tackle move!

The EX tackle hits twice, right?
Did you link the
SA after the first or second hit (cant remember if the second hit floors
opponent)
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Posted by Onny on June 7th, 2001 03:21 PM:

are you sure you can cancel it from an EX shoulder charge? i can't get it to
work..

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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 7th, 2001 04:03 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by shin srwilson
EDDIE-are you going to send
that email then?

I did about 3 or 4 times... i
don't know what's wrong send
me a message and i'll try to REPLY.

The oro thing works on the shotos
too.

you can do an infinite unblockable on the kung-fu twins.

Connect his close strong cancel into fierce s.ball. The ball will juggle
but all the hits won't land due to their small bodies. While the ball is
juggling dash until you get to the other side so you can hit them on the other
side when they get up. as they get up, the ball is floating right on their back.
Do another strong as they get up and repeat the pattern above. With all 3 balls
charged up, it will take all of yang/yun's life. The unblockable is possible to
block but just hard to and they don't have any updated versions of 3s in america
so I assume it works. haven't tested it yet just found it on training mode. So
i'm not sure.
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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 7th, 2001 05:06 PM:

Anyone else have a NON-broken link to some 3S footage?
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Posted by energon on June 7th, 2001 06:46 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by LOLO

seriously what's the diff b/w the
updated one and the non updated one?? ???

I really don't know what else is different. I just know the
Urien thing is gone.
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Posted by Hentai on June 7th, 2001 08:00 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by energon

I really don't know what
else is different. I just know the Urien thing is gone.

it also fixed that skrewed up super name (yun or yang
having the magnetic storm)

Posted by shin srwilson on June 7th, 2001 08:34 PM:

Can anybody here use Yun and Yangs super art IIIs decently?
and do you
know any combos for those super Arts as i want to know some thanks.
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Posted by Hentai on June 7th, 2001 09:48 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by shin srwilson
Can anybody here use Yun and
Yangs super art IIIs decently?
and do you know any combos for those super
Arts as i want to know some thanks.

uh what other supers do they have? the best supers are the
#3s. ive seen some 3s videos with insane "v-ism" yun/yang combos.

Posted by shin srwilson on June 7th, 2001 10:14 PM:

Them V-ism style combos are what im on about.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 8th, 2001 04:23 AM:

I like yun's better, does more damage and more flashy.
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Posted by energon on June 8th, 2001 04:29 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Hentai

uh what other supers do they
have? the best supers are the #3s. ive seen some 3s videos with insane "v-ism"
yun/yang combos.

No, for Yang supers I and II are also very good. SA I can
be done with no fault. Even if they block they won't be able to hit you after.
For the second super it allows you to charge several all important EX mantis
slashes. For Yun, all the supers are somewhat decent but III is probably the
best.
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Posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS on June 8th, 2001 04:49 AM:

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Posted by NIN_CrimzinTerry on June 8th, 2001 06:32 PM:

ah YUN yes he has good combo man with "v-ism" combo

ok if your kinda
close to the corner or you can ever be kinda far from corner start the super
then

f+MP,f+FP this combos, after FP qcf+FP this will shot you in the
corner and after that its f+MP, f+FP, repeat or mix it up like qcb+FP then f+MP,
f+FP or even the MK straight up experiment. Or even f+MK x2 then qcb+fp repeat
works

the coolest combo but it is very hard jump in Mk s. lp, s. mk, s.
mp,super f+MP, f+FP then read the above combos, this combo is cool but it is
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Posted by Hentai on June 8th, 2001 07:33 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by energon

No, for Yang supers I and
II are also very good. SA I can be done with no fault. Even if they block they
won't be able to hit you after. For the second super it allows you to charge
several all important EX mantis slashes. For Yun, all the supers are somewhat
decent but III is probably the best.

i'm not saying the other supers are bad, but why use them,
the v-ism #3 is much better, i know a ucla if i get hit for a combo ending in
the palm strike im going to lose like 40% more because they go right into v-ism
and juggle me from the PS. harsh stuff.

Posted by energon on June 8th, 2001 07:56 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Hentai

i'm not saying the other
supers are bad, but why use them, the v-ism #3 is much better, i know a ucla
if i get hit for a combo ending in the palm strike im going to lose like 40%
more because they go right into v-ism and juggle me from the PS. harsh stuff.

I go to UCLA and use Yun and Yang sometimes. With Yang the
SA III sucks cause his normal moves don't juggle as well as Yun. And plus if you
super cancel the palm strike the super doesn't do 40% damage. It only does that
much damage if you cancel off a normal, say Yun's standing strong.
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Posted by Hentai on June 8th, 2001 08:59 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by energon

I go to UCLA and use Yun
and Yang sometimes. With Yang the SA III sucks cause his normal moves don't
juggle as well as Yun. And plus if you super cancel the palm strike the super
doesn't do 40% damage. It only does that much damage if you cancel off a
normal, say Yun's standing strong.

i've lost 40% to combos off the palm strike at UCLA and
SHGL, i always forget whos who but the one with the hats #3 is better then the
one with the rollerblades (ive never really seen anything impressive with his)
and those supers seem to charge up pretty fast. arent they like #1 in japan ?

Posted by Onny on June 10th, 2001 10:31 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by EDDIE WILLIAMS
140th post. yayeeee!

heh.

is this the longest sf3 strategy thread in the
history of these forums?

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Posted by Gouki-Worshiper on June 10th, 2001 10:40 PM:

dont stop! this is one of the few sf3 threads still around!
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